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fox news, 9:00 p.m. eastern time. it will and big night here on fox news. fox business continuing the coverage tomorrow, saturday, tuesday, all the key days. in the meantime, charles payne is here, "making money." charles: former republican presidential nominee mitt romney attacking the current gop frontrunner before tonight's debate. romney going through a laundry list of reasons why he says donald trump is unfit tor to be president. he said it's time for america to wake up and see that trump is no good for america. trump fired right back. >> donald trump is a phoney and fraud. his promises are
as worthless as a degree from trump university. dishonesty is trump's hallmark.
what happened to trump airlines and trump university and trump magazine and trump steaks and trump mortgage. a business genius he is not. >> mitt is a failed candidate. i backed him. you can see how loyal he is. so when mitt started raising his head a few months ago, i was very strong. i said mitt romney should not run. he's a choke artist. charles: herman cain, you ran a race, a lot of accusations were thrown at you.
what do you make of mitt romney and the tack he's taking. >> he did invoke reagan 11th commandment, thou shall not criticize a fellow republican. a lot of is accusations are out of context. many of the things he said in his speech were from the talking point for marco rubio. that was as clear as day. marco rubio is desperate to win florida. this is a hail mary pass on the part of the rubio campaign with the help of romney to try to persuade voters in florida collar * no doubt was a hail mary pass for rubio and maybe
the entire establishment.
i think herman cain is right. we'll hear these things over and over again. it seems like -- i don't know, it seems like he's throwing hand grenades inside his tent and everyone is a victim. >> it was a coordinated effort. i know mitt romney. we have a long and strong relationship. i have a lot of respect for him. but that being said, had he endorsed somebody at the end it would have made more sense. saying anybody but trump, with all due respect if it is trump, then what, mitt? he's bringing a tremendous amount of people into the equation. i believe wausau today is a sign of desperation by the so-called establishment. and i think it will be a boomerang effect. i had 100 people call me today
and say i'm angry and i'm going put a sign in my yard saying enough is enough. you have the leadership saying we aren't going to do scotus pick. well, the people are deciding they want donald trump and that's not good enough for the establishment. establishment. charles: tape, you have to wonder. mitt romney questioned his national security, and business second us. >> he gave hillary clinton about a half dozen ads. it was an extraordinary situation. this was very strange. because in addition to the criticism of what is now perhaps the likely nominee, his answer as senator brown noted, there was no answer. there was no endorsement or real solution. in fact his exclusion people
vote differently in each state based on who could beat mr. trump sets up credit lock. that's not a situation the american people want. i don't know who they think will rally around the audience. charles: mitt romney said if you are in a state and second to trump in the polls, vote for him. in florida it would be rubio, in. >> the state it's cruz. so no one when you get to the convention it has to be a broker nomination. >> i was disappointed to this and it was not a exclusion today. charles: a lot of pro-rubio tweets said why hasn't the media talked about the failures of donald trump. some people were happy that he brought them up today. was it a good move on this part in. >> that remains to be seen.
people who support donald trump actively will continue to support donald trump. someone who clearly -- i had someone else in the primary that i talked about on your show. i thought where was this 6 months ago. donald trump has been leading in the polls since summer. there has been ample opportunity. jeb bush was going after trump in the fall. it's arrogant of the establishment to think they are going to sabotage hip now. i think everybody's record is fair game. that should have happened in the fall. what needs to happen now is donald trump wants to be the nominee of the republican party. he needs to find a way to unite the party which is what romney and john mccain had to do. charles: herman cain, i guess the question is where was this
six months ago. the establishment is always behind the ball. now they are throwing the hail mary. when he talked about trump's policies, you are a businessman. would he create a trade war and balloon deficits? would national security be at risk? >> national security will not be at risk. we would not go into a deep recession with trump's tax replacement plan. secondly, trump's tax plan is not what mitt romney made it out to be. i know for a fact that when i introduced my 999 plan, one of these hack organizations changed the assumptions to get result they wanted. i have looked at trump's tax plan, it would not put us in a a recession. and it won't put us in a trade war because there is more than one way to skin a tariff.
mitt romney made one assumption as to what would happen with respect to tariffs and that's misleading. go back to what scott brown said about not want to go put a nominee into the supreme court, let the people decide. the people are deciding so far they like trump. but the establishment want a selection process rather than an election process which mike huckabee pointed out yesterday. >> i have been digging into the numbers. i'm impassioned and i'm trying to be an political. i even courage all of your viewers to look. what was most surprising is how close cruz is to trump. on super tuesday trump got 34% of the votes. cruz got 29%. charles: there are no more taxes
outexasd no more texass out the. everyone who is against donald trump is not establishment. there are core religious conservatives and constituencies against trump. does he have the personality to do the art of the deal with the gop? >> you pointed out something with he walker, i spoke well ofs character. is he making mistakes and learning from them? it's up to paul ryan who will bring everybody together. i'm glad he reached out and laying out the agenda. unless i'm missing something,
there is a check and balance. the senate uses it all the time with this president. they can use it with president trump, too, if they don't like his nominees for ambassadors or secretaries. are you telling me that we are going to turn down actually having the tie breaker as a vice president, republican? we are going to miss out on the cabinet secretaries and ambassadors and new head of the epa? everybody is complaining about that. you don't think we are going to get somebody better than who is in there now? charles: it's not that a lot of republicans didn't turn out for mitt romney because he wasn't their perfect candidate. now maybe they will learn the lesson no matter who wins, they will suck it up. >> the romney situation earlier, people have to be aware. if they are setting up an establishment choice or hillary, that will backfire.
people like me who have been resistant to mr. trump will not be resistant anymore. if they misjudge the mood of the people right now it will be a very big mistake. charles: thank you very much. of course you don't want to miss it. the next gop debate is just a few hours away on our sister station, fox news. detroit, michigan, they will field all those questions. 9:00 p.m. on fox. donald trump came out swinging as the trump-rubio feud erupts. how presidential was he with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula
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>> i could have said, mitt, drop to your knees. he would have dropped to his knees. he was begging me. he said i'm not big like him web's a great businessman. since then i have done much better. one of the things myt mitt brout up is about trade. nobody knows more about trade than me. i made so much more money than mitt. i have a store that's worth more money than mitt. it's a store. charles: that's donald trump a few hours after mitt romney, firing back. remember mitt romney had nothing but venom in his speech. he came out swinging. i'm not sure he's as presidential as his wife asked him to be.
gina let me go to you. when i think someone who is always poised and proper. i think of gina louden. were you happy with romney retort? >> it's what he does. i think it's sort of sad the other candidates in the race thought they had to emulate him rather thanking themselves. it removes the gop voters' ability to say if i don't like somebody who fires at people like that, then i have these alternatives in the race. there is no alternative now, they all do it now. charles: i know you have got another title. what did you make of donald trump's reply? >> it isn't presidential. but it's something we have come to expect from donald trump. i found itself-serving as
opposed to trying to do anything to challenge donald trump. not on is it too little too late. but he's also not taking leadership. if marc -- if mitt romney wanteo change the direction of this race he would have endorsed a specific candidate. reality isn't there isn't this alternative candidate to someone like donald trump and that's a problem. as long as there is a continued field where it's crowd he will potentially take this and win that 5% he need. there isn't this alternatives. further, donald trump isn't running this race against the machine and mitt romney is the machine. he's the stackment and he's the kind of politician donald trump and his supporters have been rallying against.
charles: you are at cpac and i think donald trump and theoer candidates will be there. is the argument about being presidential overblown? >> it's overblown. what i'm hearing from a lot of people, they are not listening to all of the noise. i wouldn't have responded to mitt romney the way donald trump did. but the people who are supporting him are looking past the noise. so being presidential is overblown. a lot of people supporting trump say wait a minute. we have people who looked and sounded presidential and they became president. but they forgot about the working people and the people on main street usa, that's where trump is connecting with so many people. charles: gina, hearing what her
man said, do you think this plays out with the general election? but the bombastic nature of a donald trump, can that play wide enough to garner enough votes to win the white house? >> i have been talking to people at cpac and this is what i'm going to speak about when i speak saturday at cpac. if we can come together after candidate like bob dole and mitt romney and yawn mccain. if we can come together after that, i firmly believe we can come together after we have our family brawl. my background is psychology. this is a form mental breaking away to hyper focus on a primary, and our brains will get bigger again when we look at the
enemy and that's hillary clinton. charles: trump says republicans are gaining millions of new voters because of him. at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like social media equals anti-social. hey guys, i want you to meet my fiancée, denise. hey. good to meet you dennis.
salad. >> if i go, regardless of independent, if i go, i will tell you, these millions of people that joined, they are all coming with me. charles: that was donald trump earlier discussing potential consequences for the republican party if he decides to run as an independent. despite signing that gop pledge he raised the possibilities of a gop run on several occasion. how it would affect the party?
richard, let me go to you. senator mark brown -- scott brown is with us. i heard people say if it's not trump i'll walk away and vote for clinton. but the notion if there is a brokered convention and trump is not the nominee ... >> i think scott brown hit it on the head where he was talking about with trump comes a whole bunch of afound itees. i think today when mitt romney was talking and planning trump's record, he had a lot of great points. i wish mitt would have done this earlier and given us an alternative to endorse some other candidate we can rally around. when it comes to whether trump is better than hillary, i think he's way better than hillary clinton. charles: steve, you have been a
trump supporter from day one. would it be suicidal if there were shenanigans pulled on him? >> there should would be. mitt romney managed to outrage the entire american public. he made it clear no matter how want, your joyce of -- -- your voice doesn't count. we'll decide who will be the candidate. he has destroyed the republican party. charles: senator brown, i know the gop does the numbers and the establishment is not that dumb, even though they live in a bubble and missed all of this. will they go so far as to take trump out known it will cost them election. >> donald trump is not going to be kicked out of anywhere. he has the name, support and
resources to protect his base. if he gets the delegates he's the nominee, period. rough tired of teaching us a lesson? last lessons we had resulted in two president is, of barack obama and barack obama. charles: i have got breaking news. north korea's leader kim jung un ordered his country's nuclear weapons to be made ready for use. so it's prepared to carry out preemptive strikes. i want to go back to you, richard. you understand foreign policy. we are going to talk about this in the next block. this kind of thing will come up in the debate tonight. how do we handle something like this kim jong-un?
>> the first thing we can't do is say we are pressuring china to do something about it. the chinese have supported u.n. security resolutions for the past years and nothing has worked. so china is not our partner when it comes to the north korea situation. they are not helping us. they are giving us lip service and not pressuring the north coral rians like they should. it's clear the north coral rians have been moving towards this announcement and trying to bully the rest of the world. they see what's been happening to iran. so why not speak up? why'try to push the international community? charles: kim jong-un said their nukes are ready at a moment's notice. i know we heard this stuff from him before. i think the u.s. just leveled serious sanctions against them.
is this a ploy for money? is it a shakedown or are these guys that dangerous? >> i served 35 years in the military. of course, they are serious. he's unstable leader in -- and dictate tore who is known to do some rash and terrible things not only to this citizens, but made the threats throughout that region. i take him very, very serious live. the u.n. sanctions are sending a message, and he's sending a message right back. those nukes are always ready in a moment's notice. we don't need to be reminded of it. i look forward to hearing what everyone has to say about it. charles: mitt romney brought up national security. we'll take a quick break. this is breaking news. north korea says they are going on the offensive. this is serious news.
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this -- former presidential candidate mitt romney in lambasting donald trump's foreign policy, trump responds by promising a stronger military. >> donald trump tells us he's very, very smart. i'm afraid when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart. >> we are going to make our country so strong militarily, very, very strong. you know our military is very depleted. charles: 70 foreign policy veterans have written a letter saying they would oppose donald trump saying his proposals would undermine u.s. security. joining me now. kathy taylor and carl grenell. we know north korea's leader is a loose cannon.
but we can't unde underestimatet he might do at some point. he's indicative of a leader who has had no foreign policy like barack obama. we need a definitive leader like donald trump who says if you launch a missile we'll take action. charles: every six months they test missiles. do we do anything preemptively or do we continue to allow them to do this knowing the madman may use them one day. >> we all know barack obama won't take military action against anybody. he pulled our troops preemptively out of iraq. charles: kathy taylor? how do you see it? >> i think this is what the national security experts who sent out this letter were trying
to convey. foreign policy is a game of pick-up sticks. if one is disrupted, everything can fall down. when trump makes mis125eu79s, this is what d misstatements, that's when people get concerned. a trade surplus is not a post money at the end of the rainbow. charles: there is no doubt about that on the trade side. we haven't vetted any of these guys enough with foreign policy. we hear bomb this, carpet bomb that. rebuild the military. these aren't necessarily concrete policies. and it's obvious the world will only get more dangerous from here.
i was one of the on people to bother reading that letter. these are people who were responsible for some of the worst decisions in the the bush administration. what didn't you see in the letter? you didn't see a solution for destroying isis. you saw a collection of largely politically tone deaf and talentness people who would make a good "do not hire" list for a future administration. i think this is embodied by ted cruz, a desire to destroy isis but not trying to manage the outcome of the syrian civil war. look at north korea. political warfare. call out the chinese on their support for north korea. not the type of military solution this collection of
neocons wants. >> i think we tried that. the world has tried to starve out north korea. the only thing that happened is a certain number of people are starved. do you think that's the only viable option or is there some way to coordinate with china to defend these guys because it will become more dangerous? >> we have been trying to coordinate with china for quite a long time and they don't listen. i have to defer to christian white on this. he's an expert when it comes to north korea. we have to undermine the regime and figure out how we can work with south korea and our allies to bring down this regime from the inside or an informational war, that it's not just going to happen because we are putting all of our eggs into the china basket, waiting china to carry our u.s. foreign policy.
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correspondent catherine herridge with us with more details. >> let's tart with his i.t. specialist bryan pagliano. he's someone who has been close to mrs. clinton during her first one for the president in 2008. and he joined the state department as an i.t. specialist and on the side he was getting money from her to set up the server and manage it. "the washington post" was first to report that bryan pagliano has been given an immunity deal. in this case it's called use immunity. that means anything he tells the fine and any leads generated from that information cannot be used against him in a criminal case. it's not a free pass. if they come across other information that shows he has lied to the f.b.i. or misled the f.b.i. on the conspiracy on the
server, he's still in trouble. this only happens in the a criminal investigation. this use immunity only happens in a criminal case, not a civil case what clinton calls a security review. charles: the idea of flipping people within you start with the weakest link. maybe he take it a step forward and ultimately maybe we start to get staffers. wouldn't that be the ultimate red flag? >> what we know right now based on our ongoing reporting, the f.b.i. has pared down to a relatively small group. there are about a dozen people they are in the process of working through and they are starting as they almost always do with the more junior people and work their way up the chain. information we had is mrs. clinton's attorney was very eager to have her interviewed as
soon as possible. but around contact said that was not going to be the way it was going to play out with the f.b.i. they would start with the more junior people and work their way up. when the fine comes to you to ask questions, almost 99% of the type they already know the answer. that's what gets so many people into trouble is the false statement provision. charles: that's how martha stewart went to prison, lie together investigators. we know this isn't going away. the trump-romney feud reaches a boiling point calling each other names. the endorsements in the meantime keep stacking up. people picking sides. we are going to discuss who is going to come out on top. we'll be right back. how was your commute? good. yours? good.
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you say wait, wait, wait, isn't he a huge business success? doesn't he know what he's talking about? no, he isn't web inherited his business. he didn't create it. >> these people are such liars. i inherited a tiny amount of money and not's worth billions of dollars. charles: the gop is in tatters. people picking sides. jack welch, former ceo of g.e. said if you are voting in the republican primary and concerned about supreme court ruling, ted cruz is your only sure bet.
rejoining me now, christian, what do you make, the endorsements type coming. i was shocked jack welch talked more about the conservative side on the supreme court. >> i thought it was remarkable. the endorsement is nice. it's an establishment credential and it's very positive. you have lyndsey graham the senator saying maybe we have to support cruz against trump.
but a few more people are coming out with a positive. and cruz's big positive on business is a flat tax at a much lower level to take some of the regulatory business to help small business and it is change the narrative. and perhaps we do have an opportunity of having a head-to-head fight against cruz and trump. charles: tammy, interesting that christian brought up lyndsey graham. i thought i read somewhere where he said it would be unfair for the establishment to have a brokered convention to stop donald trump. it might have been the first sign of clarity. >> this is the same man who a couple weeks before was joking about murdering ted cruz on the floor of the senate.
so you have an interesting dynamic of people realizing the country is moving past them. lyndsey graham has been part of the problem for a long time. they probably imagined themselves in the next administration. they know now it might not be happening and they are going to try to recover a little bit. jack welch is a remarkable man. his wife is remarkable. this adds to ted cruz's bona fides. charles: he's a common sense guy. >> i think he made a point a lot of people agree with. trump is tapping into certain sentiments. people who don't agree with what trump has said. people like me. they are not focusing on the voters. there -- it's like you are spending so much time of going after trump you are not spending
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charles: we're a couple hours away from fox news republican debate. in michigan with a preview, blake? >> we're a couple hours away to latest presidential debate on the republican side, the smallest gathers so far, just 4 candidates, donald trump, ted cruz, marco rubio and john kasich. at a rally in maine this afternoon, trump said he will act presidential tonight.
those plans be likely to get interrupted. >> my wife called, said, darling can you please react presidentialy. reporter: dr. ben carson will not be at the debate, he pulled out yesterday, and see no path to the nomination. charles: thank you very much. back with me, carl, you are -- it is exciting there. you have all crowds. what do you expect from tonight's debate? >> i tell you there are a lot of cruz supporters, a few trump supporters will be louder. there is a atmosphere of people wants to change the system. that is why nobody is supporting rubio most here, there issue people that want to change the system.
we'll see. charles: you are a donald trump supporter, they come out last time looked like they ruffled him up a little bit. a lot of people say mitt romney set it up to have a springboard to hit him harder. >> if they' to shoot a b.b. gun at a freight train let them go. charles: richard? how do you see it. >> this debate, i think trump will be in the back try to hone up on fact. with north korea threatening us, it seems like, it will be a emphasis on national security issues.
he is not interesting in making decisions, for example in syria trying to put boots on ground, high just wants to bomb. not take serious issue to gather intelligence, i think trump will be on his heels tonight. charles: i think if donald trump is watching, think planes, bombs and submarines. this they be a last chance to somehow take donald trump's momentum. has attack worked? >> no, you look at in super tuesday for rubio, he aggressively for first time, went after trump. he won one state, came in 3rd in most states. if i were donald trump, if i were advising him or other candidates, we're a serious time, with what north korea said today, now time to be from thal.
-- time to be presidential, this party is no divided than it has ever been in our lifetime. somebody has to be a groi grown up, step up unite the party. charles: again,oy know military folks like donald trump. how can he get message across he is commander in chief. >> he has proven he commander in chief material by overwhelming number of people he is reigniting into republican party. he was set apart from mitt romney, a lot of people don't like mitt romney. charles: have fun at cpac and tonight, 9 p.m. fox news.
everyone is just get popcorn, call your friends, thank you for watching the show, we've been doing well, leave you with the man lou dobbs. keep it right here on fox business. lou: i am lou dobbs, washington cartel, republican establishment, and one of their leading tools and hinge men in reversal of historic proportions, mitt romney, who lost presidency in 2012 to a president who could hardly have had a worse record or been a weak are candidate, today decided to take on the role of a tax dog in 2016 presidential election. but he attacked republican front runner, instead of leading democratic candidate